Source: JT Long of The Gold Report
Even in a frozen metals price market, it only takes one event to shake off the paper manipulation keeping prices below what supply and demand fundamentals of a free market would dictate. And when that correction comes, it could happen quickly. In this interview with The Gold Report, The Morgan Report Publisher David Morgan shares his favorite ways to own leverage to metals prices upside while protecting against junior mining risk.
The Gold Report: You and David Smith recently wrote a piece titled "Gold and Silver: Heading for a Blue Screen of Death Event." You compared the gut-wrenching panic of suddenly facing a computer that stops working with a precious metals market that seems frozen, in the case of gold, in sub-$1,200/ounce ($1,200/oz) limbo. But then you suggested that, like a Windows operating system, the metal could be rebooted on its way to once again hitting $1,900/oz. What would it take for something like that to occur? How do you hit Control-Alt-Delete on a commodity?
David Morgan: The retail silver market is very tight and getting tighter. India has historically imported a great deal of silver. As the country became more prosperous and started building its middle class, more gold started going there as well. On the supply side, low prices are detrimental to the recycling of silver so there is less recycling in the market. It has been reported that it is virtually impossible to get gold in size off of the London Bullion Market, yet the prices don't reflect that tightness.
TGR: What is keeping the prices down? What is causing the blue screen of death?
DM: That is tough to answer without treading on the conspiracy theory realm. I don't like to deal with conspiracy theory. I like to deal in conspiracy fact. The fact is that the futures markets allow massive amounts of paper contracts that represent silver and gold and, for that matter, other commodities such as wheat or corn, to be manufactured at will for speculative purposes. That satisfies the demand without changing the real supply. Someone could buy what they think is a physical amount of metal through a major broker-dealer, but in reality only hold a claim on the underlying asset. This is fairly pervasive throughout the precious metals industry.
The Dutch bank ABN Amro had stored gold for clients for multiple years, and when the bank got into problems, the clients were informed that they would have to take a cash settlement for their gold. The Texas Teacher Retirement System has requested gold be delivered from the Federal Reserve to Texas. That's "in work" and could put more pressure on the paper gold problem if it doesn't materialize. This problem has come to the fore several times, and yet it has not yet disrupted the market. However, I think that day of reckoning is closer because there is more of this going on and the premiums are so high. That is a direct indication that prices are not reflective of the true supply/demand fundamentals. However, to be fair, the premiums can come back to "normal" once the market quiets down.
TGR: Short of banks not being able to deliver precious metals, are there other black swans that could shake gold and silver prices out of their current state? We had the Chinese stock market flash crash, and gold and silver went up a little bit, but dropped back down again in a few days. The market is still focused on a possible federal Reserve interest rate hike by the end of the year. What could it take to reboot?
DM: Those things have an effect. Physical gold is the most negatively correlated asset to the stock market. That means that we should see an increase in the gold prices in a declining stock market environment. This has taken place at very minor levels so far. We have seen in the past that small events people would have brushed off in years gone by can mysteriously rock the market if they develop momentum. Jim Rickards talks about the avalanche theory where it's that one additional snowflake that sends everything crashing down the hill. Naming that snowflake in advance is difficult, but we are poised for some kind of disruption.
TGR: When it happens, how quickly could it happen?
DM: These things happen fast. The problem builds and builds and builds, and then just a little bit more pushes the shift faster than you might be able to adjust your portfolio.
TGR: How much higher does silver need to be before the primary silver producers are doing more than just trading dollars?
DM: It varies from mine to mine, but I'd say somewhere around the $22/oz level would be beneficial to most primary silver producers because energy costs are so low currently. If energy costs increase then than number goes up, of course!
TGR: I understand there's a new story about a mobile mill that you're including in The Morgan Report. Do you want to mention that?
DM: It's something that we have been following closely. It's really a technology company for a self-contained unit that recycles the water and goes almost anywhere. This mobile mill allows miners that have gravity feed material—gold that could be separated in a gravity process—to use this technology and produce gold. This mobile mill could be brought on a site, and within a few weeks the rock is milled and sold with part of the profit going to the technology company and the rest going to the company that utilizes this process. The beauty is that a mining company wouldn't have the capital expenditure for a mill that dilutes shareholders. This is something that's never been experienced in the junior sector before to my knowledge.
The problem is that the company is making some structural changes that are significant to shareholders, and we had to put the report on hold. But once we are allowed to, we will do a complete write up for subscribers. I want to stress up front that I own it and it's a highly speculative situation. It also could be a spark that gets investors excited about the juniors again and perhaps even the entire sector.
TGR: You are going to be speaking at the New Orleans Investment Conference in October and the Silver Summit in San Francisco in November. What do attendees need to understand about investing in silver in 2015?
DM: We still like silver as a part of a balanced investing approach, and it is undervalued. If you take the true money supply versus the amount of silver aboveground, we're at as low a price today as we were at the bottom of the market in the early 2000s. This means that the amount of paper money that has been printed is the same on a per-ounce equivalent. Based on the overspending that all the world's governments have done, you're actually buying in a very safe zone. We're also very undervalued in the gold market. Both of these sectors have lost a lot of interest from the investment community. A lot of them have left the sector, but those who really analyze the markets have a little bit of an edge. They realize what the true picture is. So I would say the remainder of this year is a good time to be buying into these markets.
I've always advocated that precious metals should be a part of your overall strategy, not your only strategy. Because of that, my early recommendation was about 10% in the precious metals. Early on, I upped that to about 20% because the world had become more uncertain. If you average the two, that's 15%, the amount recommended by Ibbotson Associates Inc. for the highest return for investors at large. That is still a good place to be.
TGR: Thank you for your time, David.
David Morgan (Silver-Investor.com) is a widely recognized analyst in the precious metals industry; he consults for hedge funds, high net-worth investors, mining companies, depositories and bullion dealers. He is the publisher of The Morgan Report on precious metals, the author of "Get the Skinny on Silver Investing" and a featured speaker at investment conferences in North America, Europe and Asia.
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